Posts by Nathan Natas

StepfordWife said,
"...When I told my husband that I would take blood he started to cry and tell me that I was one step away from being an apostate and that it would be his duty to report me if I mention this again."
Is your elder husband aware that the WTB&TS has said "OK" to the use of Hemopure, which is made from cow's blood? (The Watchtower, June 15, 2000 said "...when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself." pages 29-31.) Does he think that people should be reported for conscientiously making decisions for themselves, or does making decisions for yourself mean you still have to do what Sister EasilyStumbled thinks is right? Your Hubby must not be keeping up with Jehovah's chariot.
"My husband said they will remove him as an elder if I do not begin to go to meetings. Is that true?" I think is is. Does your Husband feel it is fair for him to be punished for your lack of energy?
As ScenicViewer suggested, maybe you have fibromyalgia. Maybe you are beginning to feel the burden of aging in this old system of things. Is it a sin to be ill and low energy? Maybe you've been a little depressed lately. Maybe you've got a touch of arthritis. You know the only prescription is Jehovah's Marvellous Free-Lunch Picnic in Paradise, and you can't wait!
A few years ago one of the members here was asked "Do you still believe this is Jehovah's organisation?" His reply was, "Oh yes, I do... I'm just not sure God exists." They left him alone. I'm not suggesting that you say this, but it shows you how Jehovah's Magic Spirit makes one wise.
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Rebel8's advice is excellent! Keep thanking them for taking such loving concern for you and that you know how busy they are, etc. This is known as "Blowing smoke up their ass." Elders are vain and adore flattery.

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I need some advise

by Lost his mind in

following is a letter i am going to send to the entire family both jw and non.

i would like to get your advice on whether i should do it.

my husband has told me before to voice my complaints but i have yet.

Nathan Natas

You must do what you feel is right, but you should know that you may feel differently later.

Sorry if this sounds like a fortune cookie, but I had Chinese for lunch.

I give you five stars for spiciness.

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whats so bad about believing people go to heaven?

by sowhatnow in

it occurred to me today, that so often, my mother will make the comment that .

"those false religions teach that everyone is going to heaven when they die, oh sure, .

all you have to do is be a good person, and off you go to heaven.

Nathan Natas

Q.: What's so bad about believing people go to heaven?

A.: For openers, such a believe is incorrect and has no basis in observable reality. It is an extraordinary claim for which no extraordinary proof is offered. The fact is that there is no such thing as a "spirit realm" populated by any kind of gods, angels or demons. There is no soul and there is no heaven for a soul to go to. These things are the inventions of chimpanzee imagination seeking desperately for a meaning for their lives. On a universal scale, our lives are as meaningful to the universe as the life of a spider, axolotl or fossa.

Secondly, such a belief encourages the believer to view this life as a "dress rehearsal" for something better that will come along as soon as they finish with this nasty trail of tears. Such a belief encourages people to tolerate evil because they figure that evil will be handled in the "world to come."

It makes trusting simple souls the dupes of narcissistic liars and con men.

It is the desperate refuge of ignorant shallow thinkers.

THAT is what is so bad about believing people go to heaven.

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Why do American Christians stand with Muslim Nations on the Question of Evolution?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

some statistics.

this graph charts national responses to the statement, "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animal," and show some strange bedfellows.. .

as you see, a huge majority (70% and higher) of western europe people surveyed, accept evolution (in some form).

Nathan Natas

"...and a woman said, "Speak to us of FREEDOM."

He replied, "Freedom is in the heart of every child. It is the heart's desire of every creature above the level of the insects.

Freedom begins when we first learn to say NO."

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$10 per pub. Money begging session last night

by StarTrekAngel in

last night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.

elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).

he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.

Nathan Natas

Did they make it clear that this $10 obligation is for EACH MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY for each day of the assembly?

It's great that they don't take collection and rely on Jehovah to keep the work going forward.

The Jehovah Sock Puppet, on the other hand, relies on guilt-trpping and threats that you might not see Paradise if you're not a cheerful Borg-anism.

It's all BIBLE BASED, you see!

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Why do American Christians stand with Muslim Nations on the Question of Evolution?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

some statistics.

this graph charts national responses to the statement, "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animal," and show some strange bedfellows.. .

as you see, a huge majority (70% and higher) of western europe people surveyed, accept evolution (in some form).

Nathan Natas

Just as there are many paths to the top of a mountain, there are many paths to the bottom of the intellectual valley. Two different paths, both descended from Abraham, arrive at the same stagnant pond.

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Office Jargon, drives me nuts

by punkofnice in

'granular' seems to be the latest buzz word going around my office.

previously it was 'appetite'.. abstract words that appear to be designed to make the person saying it appear powerful and part of the 'team'.. as lord sugar has observed before; why not just speak english and say what you mean.. office jargon really annoys me.

i had enough loaded language and jargon in the disgusting jw cult..

Nathan Natas

Found quote (not mine)

"Sometimes, I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis."

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"Crises of Conscience"

by Olivia Wilde in

i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

Nathan Natas

Tedious and boring flock of 'tards.